Sorry to be off subject…but I can’t figure out where else to post…I’m getting old …just wondering if you watched any of the us open tennis…hope you are doing well…and touring soon…going to Clapton this Friday…take care…dd
Just caught up with the 0U812 episode. Fair play to James Valentine, but I don't think he's in a position to cast stones about lyric writing, considering some of his band's songs. Also, while the episode was an enjoyable listen as always, I don't think he brought any useful insight or commentary to the table. Just my 2 cents...
Thanks for chiming in Timothy. James himself was concerned at the beginning that he might not add much to the conversation since he's not as entrenched in the inner workings of all of Van Halen's music and production details. I think there's always room for different perspectives in the ongoing conversations about Van Halen so I was happy to have the chance to chat with him and include him. The OU812 album itself can be polarizing within the fan community.
Hello everyone! I listened to the excellent '0U812' episode of 'Runnin' With The Dweezil' and I must again thank Dweezil and James Valentine for mentioning my name, albeit in a slightly modified form! :) I'm just honored that any part of my name floated through anyone's head!
As Dweezil mentioned, I do indeed have some references for '0U812' that I'm happy to share. '0U812' marks an end of an era for me and it is in my mind at least a sort of "last Van Halen album”. Most draw the line between the Roth and Hagar eras, but my personal taste includes both '5150' and '0U812' as great albums along with the classic Roth albums. It was the last album done with Donn Landee and I consider him as important as Templeman in Van Halen's best work. I liken Ted to George Martin and Donn to Geoff Emerick to reference The Beatles. Also, as Dweezil guessed, this was the last Van Halen album to feature the original "baby" Marshall and other Marshalls as the main guitar amplifier and the last to feature a "superstrat" style guitar in the tradition of his various Boogie Bodies and Kramer guitars. For me personally the signature gear and Ed's changing tastes did not fit my personal taste as much. The ‘0U812’ touring cycle ended in Honolulu, HI in February of 1989, and that is pretty much where my area of interest in Van Halen ends for the most part. But this is totally arbitrary and relevant only to me and my tastes.
I loved the '0U812' album. I was 16 years old in 1988 and I bought the "Black and Blue" 45rpm single backed with "A Apolitical Blues" on the B-side on the day it was released. This was the first thing released from the band in advance of the album. I bought the LP on the day it was released. I remember trying to figure out all the guitar parts as best as I could as fast as I could to try to beat my fellow guitar playing buddy in high school Kevin Dodds, who later went on to author the book 'Edward Van Halen: A Definitive Biography'. We're still friends to this day and have been bonded through our love and study of Edward's music for these many decades.
SO enough about me...here's some things I can share going track by track as was the case on this episode of 'Runnin' With The Dweezil':
The title ‘0U812’ was one of many in a list of names the band had. It was only the latest one that they came up with at the time the title was chosen by their manager Ed Leffler who just went with it, probably out of exasperation and being under pressure from looming deadlines. To the best of my knowledge, I believe that this was the last album to feature Marshalls as the main amp sound. The Soldanos came later…Eddie bought his first SLO-100 from Mike Soldano on February 15, 1990. Here’s the invoice from Mike dated February 15, 1990. Eddie met Mike and tried the amp on February 14, 1990…then bought it the very next day:
The first public appearance of Eddie with the SLO-100 head was at the opening of the Cabo Wabo bar in April of 1990 and of course the Soldano would set the course for Ed’s amp sounds thereafter. Of course, Clapton made some of the best music of his career with his Soldano amps around the ‘Journeyman’ album-as John Mayer will opine! It may have been coincidence, but it is an interesting little side connection between Ed and his number one inspiration on guitar.
"Mine All Mine": Eddie said of this song:
"The guitars were an afterthought on all the keyboard songs (on '0U812'). For "Mine All Mine" I wasn't thinking of doubling it with the guitar at all. Then I tried it and it sounded kind of neat. It's almost a direct kind of Strat sound. It's not real distorted. It's not my regular sound on the guitar. I had three different guitars going, '59 Strats and my main Kramer."
[I believe Eddie is referring to his 5150 Kramer when he says "main Kramer", but to my knowledge he has one vintage Strat identified as a '59. He said "Strats" plural, so I can guess he might be referring to his '64 sunburst Strat (with "5150" carved into it with a screwdriver that has also been referred to as a '58, but is confirmed to be a '64) that he used on the album version of "Finish What Ya Started" (and "Best of Both Worlds") and/or maybe his '57 sunburst Strat with a maple board Tele neck on it-Ed used this guitar to perform "Finish What Ya Started" live at the 1990 opening of the Cabo Wabo club. I think these various guitars are all zooming around during the track except I tend to believe the 5150 Kramer was used for the solo proper...it has definite Floyd Rose work on it and the tones on the solo itself seem more reminiscent to me of the 5150 Kramer.]
Eddie said of the keyboard setup on this song:
...on that I used the Roland D-50 with the Yamaha TXC-816 rack through the Roland MC-500 sequencer.
Alan DiPerna (Interviewer) So, you sequenced your keyboard parts first and then the band played along with them?
Yeah. And then Al overdubbed to that and then we overdubbed bass. Finally, I overdubbed guitar and vocals.
On the use of keyboards in general on this album, Ed said in the same interview (from the defunct 'Keyboard World' magazine in July of 1988):
Actually, Steve Porcaro helped me get a lot of this setup together. All the MIDI shit. Steve and a keyboard player named Jennifer Blakeman. She's in a band that Donn and I produced called Private Life. They help me work on the sequencers. They're both good at dealing with the owner's manual, which to me is just a big long book that I don't want to dive into. I can't relate to it.
"When It's Love":
I think “When It’s Love” was the song that gave momentum to the band during the writing and recording of the album. It’s an obvious single and the centerpiece of the album in the way that “Jump” was the centerpiece of ‘1984’. Sammy delivers one of the finest vocal performances of his career here and for my money, it is one of the best rock vocals I’ve ever heard. It’s so good that repeating it live is a suicide mission without proper vocal training. I think Sammy set the bar so high on the records (as say Robert Plant did) that singing these songs live over many shows meant almost certain long term vocal damage, in my opinion.
Eddie said, "I used a Roland D-50, Oberheim OB-8, Yamaha TX816 rack, a Yamaha DX7 and the 6 foot 1920 Steinway grand. On the basic track, I played the D-50 MIDIed to the other keyboards. Then I overdubbed the piano.
For the solo (one of my favorites in the entire catalog which I've transcribed and played a million times) Ed said that he used "a Strat" and I haven't been able to nail down which one. I believe it may have been the same rosewood board sunburst '64 Strat he used to record "Finish What Ya Started" (and "Best of Both Worlds") but I have no concrete interview reference or other evidence. It's obviously an ode to Clapton...again, as is often the case, there are direct live Cream licks all over the fast flourish at the end. The tone always reminded me more of Blackmore or Johnny Winter, but Ed has always said Clapton was the muse for this solo (and really almost all of them when you think about it).
Eddie said of the solo: When I first started soloing to it, it ended up sounding like Clapton. It was intentional. I used a Strat full blown through Marshalls.
And in another 1988 interview Ed said: Check this out, this solo is really different. Clapton, see…I still have some of that in me.
The guitar on the main guitar track (likely the Kramer 5150) is more or less standard tuning, but the Strat on the solo has a VERY unusual tuning which is as follows:
1st string: E +40.0 cents 2nd string: B +40.0 cents 3rd string: G +40.0 cents 4th string: D +40.0 cents 5th string: A +40.0 cents 6th string: E +40.0 cents
This is ABOVE standard pitch. To the best of my reckoning the "Push Comes To Shove" guitars (Mostly strats with the possible exception of the solo) are tuned very high like this, with the "Push Comes To Shove" guitars being tuned only slightly higher than the "When It's Love" solo strat.
"A.F.U. (Naturally Wired)":
Eddie said of this song: It’s actually a drum beat that I came up with years ago and Al said “Hey man, this beat would be great for this one”. I don’t know, it’s probably something Zeppelin would have done. And then I come in with the finger tappin’ stuff and you can’t figure out what’s going on until we all come in and then you say “Oh, there’s the beat!”.
Much of the instrumental parts of “A.F.U.” were present in the soundtrack to ‘The Wild Life’ movie which was released in September of 1984. Ed’s score was obviously created prior to that and some of this material, including these riffs from “A.F.U.”, might date back to the sessions for the ‘1984’ LP.
In a separate interview in a 1988 issue of ‘Guitar For The Practicing Musician’, John Stix asked Eddie: What did you do for the intro to “A.F.U. (Naturally Wired)”?
Eddie: I’m tapping an octave above every note that I’m fingering with the left hand. It’s my Kramer 5150 with no overdubs.
Again, anything is possible and no photographs or videos exist of the sessions, but it seems that the 5150 Kramer was the main guitar on this album. As Dweezil and James observed, the solo kicks off with a nod to Jimmy Page and Robert Plant’s guitar/vocal duets as heard in “Dazed and Confused, “You Shook Me”, “How Many More Times”, etc. He does play some of his Holdsworth inspired licks in this solo…in fact there’s one Holdsworthian lick that Eddie plays in “House of Pain” that is repeated here. It’s a favorite of Ed’s and it shows up in all manner of places in the catalog from 1983 onward.
“Cabo Wabo”:
According to Eddie, Sammy had written the lyrics which were obviously inspired by his last trip to Cabo San Lucas and Eddie previously came up with music “in one day”. Sammy said that the music “sounded perfect for Cabo”. They both agreed…the next day they cut the song. Which is amazing, because that is one of the most complex songs on the album in my opinion, for whatever that is worth.
Eddie used a bastardized electric twelve string guitar on the main rhythm track of “Cabo Wabo”. It had an unfinished or stripped finish Schecter Tele style body with a neck and hardware from a Fender Villager acoustic twelve string. This guitar has three single coil pickups and Schecter electronics. The guitar was purchased as-is from Dan Martin of St. Charles Music Exchange in St. Charles, Missouri as were many of Ed’s vintage instruments. Dan also introduced Ed to Steinberger guitars among others. Ed also mentioned that he used a cocked wah-wah pedal on the solo (Michael Schenker style), which might have likely been played on his Kramer 5150 guitar.
“Source of Infection”
As Dweezil and James said…this song has some gross lyrics! Here’s a segment from an interview with Bud Scoppa of Guitar World in 1988 that pretty much confirms it’s “unfortunate” lyrics as James put it!
Bud Scoppa: Is that an A.I.D.S. song?
Ed: No, no, no. I first wanted to call the album that. You know ‘Van Halen: Source of Infection’-music that’s infectious. Actually, Sammy came up with it, and I saw it that way. Al grossed out. He said “Sounds like a sore or somethin’!”. I went “Ok, screw it”.
“Source of Infection” is clearly another trademarked Van Halen boogie song continuing in the tradition of “I’m The One”, “Bottoms Up!”, “Sinner’s Swing”, “The Full Bug”, “Hot For Teacher” and “Get Up” among others. I’ll insert my opinion in here once again and say the lyrics are barely there…just some throw away stuff that sounds kind’ve cool. But they fit the song which is essentially a jam in that aforementioned boogie style. Which is still exhilarating musically to me…I think the band play their asses off and Sammy is singing some great rock vocals.
“Feels So Good”:
Eddie said this: And then there’s another song called “Feels So Good”. I just used the (Oberheim) OB-8 on that one. I got a Hammond B3 kind of sound out of it. That’s a complete keyboard song; there’s not much guitar in it at all. But anyway, I’m using the OB-8’s arpeggiator on the left hand. It’s kind of like “Why Can’t This Be Love”, but not really. I guess the left-hand arpeggiating might remind people of it, though.
On another irrelevant personal note, when I was in high school and working to figure out this album on guitar, I noticed that Ed does some of his patented strumming/pinging of the strings behind the nut…similar, of course, to when he strummed behind the bridge during “Runnin’ With The Devil” and many other places. My ear caught that the pitch of the pinging behind the nut was IDENTICAL to the pinging behind the nut that went on during the intro to the “Cathedral” segment of the ‘Live Without A Net’ guitar solo spotlight, which leads me to believe that the same Kramer 5150 guitar was used in both instances. I later transcribed the entire ‘Live Without A Net’ guitar solo segment in the summer of 1997. Anyway, many years later in 2012, I built a kind of replica of the Kramer 5150 and I used these pitches to determine placement of the string tree on my replica’s headstock. After the nut is clamped, you can fine tune these pitches to be exactly like Eddie’s and if you are really careful you can match the pitch so that no fine tuning is required. Just a little more proof of my mental illness…as if you needed any after having read thus far!
On a personal level, I really enjoy this light pop song…it’s got lovely backing vocals as always and simple lyrics which I think Sammy delivers well. It’s, surprise, a “feel good” song and I enjoy it very much! The keyboard sounds are a bit dated, but at the time it was very fresh. The video was notable because it was one of the last public appearances of the original Frankenstein guitar. That is until the Met exhibit decades later.
“Finish What Ya Started”:
According to a 1991 interview with Sammy, Eddie was at Sammy’s house and they were both tinkering with acoustic guitars. Sammy suggested they write an “acoustic tune”. They did and that was that.
Eddie claimed in 1988 that Sammy played “a Gibson acoustic” on the recording. I am fairly sure that this is Sammy’s thin bodied Gibson Chet Atkins steel string electric-acoustic guitar. I owned one and the plugged in sound seems to match what is happening on the record. It is in standard tuning, not a baritone guitar as James guessed. Sammy used this guitar to play “Eagles Fly” on later Van Halen tours and Eddie used this guitar to play “Finish What Ya Started” during a TV interview segment recorded during soundcheck at the opening date of the F.U.C.K. tour in Atlanta on August 16,1991. Eddie performed his parts in this interview segment entirely fingerstyle…not hybrid pick and fingers as he did in “Little Guitars”. I also include a picture of a stock thin bodied Gibson Chet Atkins steel string acoustic of the same vintage. Notice the scratch plate is missing on Sammy’s guitar.
Also, in 1988 Eddie said that he used his 1964 rosewood board sunburst strat (the same guitar that I believe he used for the solo to “When It’s Love”) recorded direct for his parts. It certainly sounds that way to me and Dweezil guessed that was the case. However, in a 2015 ‘Ask Eddie’ segment from the Fender/EVH website, Eddie claimed that he used “a small 1x12 Music Man 30 watt amp with a 25 watt Greenback in it”. He also claimed in this same post that he used two of these 1x12 Music Man amps with swapped 25 watt Greenback speakers to record the stereo Ripley guitar parts on “Top Jimmy”. There are studio photos of him with what might be the amp or amps he used to record “Top Jimmy”, but they look nothing like any Music Man amp that I’ve ever seen and to the best of my knowledge Music Man never made a 30 watt amp. I tend to go with his remembrances nearer to the time of the recording of ‘0U812’ and assume that he did indeed record the strat direct as he originally claimed.
In that 1988 interview, Eddie was asked by John Stix: How did you come to do “Finish What Ya Started”?
Eddie: Sammy and I consciously tried to do something different. We said, let’s get a funky sound on this one, and I fingerpicked all the way through. I didn’t use a pick at all. He played rhythm guitar on a Gibson acoustic. I used a Strat direct. I didn’t use an amp. It’s just E and A going back and forth. It’s simple, but it had a groove. The solo sounds like a little country picking.
I’m of the opinion that he might have used an “either/or pick and fingers” approach for the solo and many parts of the song in general. The footage from the April 1990 opening of Cabo Wabo shows that he palmed his pick and primarily used his Thumb and Index finger for the “chicken pickin’” parts and then he quickly got the pick from his palm and into normal picking position to play the final bluesy phrase. I think this is almost certainly how he played it on the ‘0U812’ album version. You can see this approach clearly in this footage beginning at the 11:23 mark:
“Black and Blue”: The first single from the album. The 45rpm single contained the Little Feat cover song “A Apolitical Blues” as it’s B-side (which was not on the LP release of ‘0U812’). Eddie claimed then that he wanted “Black and Blue” to be the first single (instead of “When It’s Love” which was the obvious stand-out track on the album) because he didn’t want people to say that Van Halen had gone too “soft”.
Eddie said in 1988 that he “considered it the most characteristically Van Halen song on the album”. He also said of this song “I used the Bradshaw (rack) on “Black and Blue”, I don’t know where else (on the album)”. I think the Kramer 5150 was the likely electric guitar on this recording and the Eventide Harmonizer detune is obvious. I love this track. Ridiculous lyrics, but again, they fit the music and it’s all good fun to me.
“Sucker In A Three Piece”:
Eddie said regarding this song, “Sucker In A Three Piece” is kind’ve like a “Panama” beat. This is an indication that Eddie understood he was repeating himself, at least to me. I think this is another “standard” Van Halen rock track and it was likely the 5150 Kramer once again. Great vocal from Sammy…great high-pitched screams and rock delivery in my opinion. Not the greatest album closer to me, but then neither was “Inside”! Kind’ve going out on a throw away track. Almost like the worst sketches being thrown in at the tail end of Saturday Night Live if time permits!
“A Apolitical Blues”:
Obviously Ted Templeman and Donn Landee recorded the original recording of this song by Little Feat. What a great band they were…Lowell being an ex-member of The Mothers of Invention briefly and that right there is a distinction I think many of us here appreciate!
Eddie said this of the recording of “A Apolitical Blues”: (It) is totally live except for the piano overdub that I did. It’s just a sloppy blues. I tried to play it like (Little Feat’s keyboardist) Billy Payne. I’m not really that kind of player, but it was tripped-out, man, trying to do these slippery blues licks on piano and land on your feet. We spent like a half an hour on it; Donn just hung two overhead mics and that was it. It’s so gross sounding. I played slide on that black Airline guitar (a black 1959 Airline guitar he purchased from Dan Martin) through a little Music Man amp (almost certainly the same Music Man 1x12 30w amp that he claimed to have played through on “Top Jimmy”) and got a sound that’s almost identical to the one Lowell (George) got. It’s nasty.
This is about all the relevant information I can currently find on ‘0U812’. Again, it’s a Rubicon for me. Not that Edward and the band didn’t have some great moments later, but this was an end to a certain part of the Van Halen canon that touched me. If anyone has any other info, I hope you post it here…there’s always new stuff coming to light that can increase our appreciation and understanding of Van Halen music!
So to me "Sucker in a Three Piece" sounds like a more modern amp with saturated preamp gain. Play the intro back to back with some of the obvious Marshall tracks, it's not the same tone at all. Sounds much more like the Soldano / 5150 sound he'd end up using on the next album. I'm not sure what it actually is, but I'd bet money it's not the classic Marshall on that track at least. I know he used a Bradshaw CAE preamp on parts of For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge in addition to the Soldano, so perhaps it's that?
Dweezil, thanks for another great episode in this awesome podcast series. I loved hearing your story about hearing Cabo Wabo super loud at 5150. Cabo Wabo is one of my top five favorite Van Halen songs. (Surpised you didn't talk about Eddie and Mikey's Beach Boys background vocals in the pre-chorus) Now, I would agree wit you that for some/many fans who came-of-age in the late 70's, OU812 is, as you stated 'a forgettable album." But please bear in mind that I and millions of fans came-of-age in the mid 80's when Sammy had already joined the band. We never had to get used to a new singer. We remember when OU812 came out! We blasted it on our boom boxes! We played the songs in our high school bands. To us, (and there are quite a lot of us, as record sales of a #1 album indicated) OU812 could never be an unforgettable album. Though some of Sammy's lyrics may be, as you stated, too " on the nose", there are plenty of examples of his beautiful and profound lyrics in songs like Dreams (one of the most inspiring songs of my life, means much more than just music for a sports montage) , Right Now, Learning to See, etc. With lyrics like "She looked so fucking good, so sexy and so fresh" and "I can almost taste it, it burns" (from Sinner's Swing" the same critique could be leveled at Dave. To me and all the Van Halen fans who loved all incarnations of the band, no Van Halen album was forgettable. Not even VHIII, as there are some beautiful things Eddie and Gary created that are still worth listening to (you'll do that one too, right?). Keep up the great work with the series, looking forward to the next. But just remember, the VH family is HUGE and under that family tent, we got a lot of different age groups, perspectives, backgrounds that influence our preferences. Still, for some, it's all Van Halen and it's all GOOD. Rock on, my brother!
I continue to love these episodes. OU812 is my least favorite of the Hagar era. The vibe of the episode seems you feel the same. Is that how you feel? Still some great songs, but when the bar is that high, it’s easy to stumble. Very excited for the next episode…For Unlawful is my favorite Of the Hagar era.
Thanks again for doing these. Almost a year since EVH passed and these are great grief therapy.
You are both technically correct that "A Apolitical Blues" is ONE of the first appearances of an entirely acoustic piano track on a Van Halen album. But it is a fact that "Dreams" and "Love Walks In" on '5150' both feature one of Eddie's two Steinway grand pianos (he vacillated between using a 6 foot 1920 Steinway or a 7 foot 1912 Steinway B grand...one was for the house and one for the studio-he switched them out occasionally) as the "master keyboard" to trigger an Oberheim OB-8 via MIDI...so you hear a combination of both. The acoustic piano sound is more upfront on "Dreams" and more of a "mix' of the two so to speak on "Love Walks In". "When It's Love" also had a separate track of the 6 foot 1920 Steinway grand added AFTER (not triggering a synth as before) the basic keyboard track was done. That basic track was a Roland D-50 used to trigger the OB-8, a Yamaha TX816 and a Yamaha DX7. So really that song also had straight acoustic piano on one separate track...it's perhaps much easier to hear the acoustic piano on "A Apolitical Blues" because it was cut live with a couple of overhead microphones with Eddie overdubbing the piano later.
Another great episode! OU812 has always been one of my favorite VH records, maybe my favorite with Sammy! It's definitely got that 80s action movie vibe in some parts, I just love it! Dweezil, check these out if you haven't already. There are some instrumental versions of the Sammy era stuff floating around, on some of these the quality is not great, but it's so cool to be able to hear these without vocals!
Might have to add a Source Of Infection > Why Does It Hurt When I Pee? jam to my dream Dweezil Zappa setlist.. This was another great episode. Thank you James! Thank you Dweezil!
Getting caught back up on some episodes. The "5150" episode is excellent. I love the Hagar era and this album is still holds up for me. I love the diversity with the songwriting and Ed's instrumentation. And his guitar tone is huge sounding. Really enjoyed the song and tone dissections, per always. I enjoyed Mark's commentary as well. Question: do you know what rig he was playing through? Probably his new PRS -- but amp and effects wise? I thought he had a pretty solid tone.
"Mine All Mine" has been a favorite of mine since I first heard it on cassette tape back in 1988. This is my favorite keyboard composition from Eddie. Such a cool way to start an album. Such a unique rockin' tune... dominated by the keyboard and not the guitar. Eddie is such an underrated composer. I also really dig Sammy's lyrics on this one. I've always loved the last verse... "They'll find a cure for anything Just kill the pain or numb my brain We see a man speakin' the word of God Provin' to be a fraud, his own church applauds Stop lookin' out, start lookin' in Be your own best friend Stand up and say "Hey! This is mine!"...
These lyrics have been inspiring me all these years. I listen to Mine All Mine all the time to get psyched and get in a good mood.
So......I'm sitting on my 3 dollar lawn chair here in my shithole apartment....and I'm listening to the OU812 episode with my decent headphones via my decent android.... And then, regarding these lyrics...I hear James Valentine say the 'mine all mine' message here is "So 80's. So Boomer" ....and Dweezil chimes in with the words... "Yuppie Crisis".
I laughed and said to myself... "Hmm..Ok. Alright guys. Let's just move on to the next one."
Thanks for chiming in. It's funny how people can experience music in their own way and that the music can be different things to different people. I can totally see your point of view with the way that you describe the song. It was the first Van Halen song that appeared to be making a comment on society in a semi-political philosophical way. For me, it didn't connect out of the gate but years later and particularly after "Right Now," "Mine All Mine" fits into that small collection of Van Halen songs with a direct message. There are a handful of other tunes that fit that category as well. Which ones do you think belong in there?
Anyway, I'm glad you are part of the community and have been going along for the RWTD journey. DZ
Thanks so much for putting your time into this, Dweezil. I've really enjoyed every episode and I'm looking forward to the upcoming episodes with Satch & Andy Wood. Regarding Sammy's Lyrics and the handful of VH tunes that have more of a direct message... of course there's "Right Now" as you mentioned. I also really dig the lyrics to "The Dream Is Over" and "In & Out" from Carnal Knowledge. And I really dig the lyrics to "Seventh Seal" and "Feelin'" from Balance. But that's me. I totally understand it's all subjective and believe me when I tell you, I really really laughed out loud - (regarding your comments to "Mine All Mine") - because I'll never meet a VH fan who likes that song nearly as much as I do. A good friend of mine suggested that Track 1 on OU812 shoulda been "A.F.U." and I honestly think he may have a point. Thank You Again, Dweezil! Cheers! Marcus
First off Dweezil thank you so much for doing this. I have said for years, if something every happens to EDDIE, this is one guy(Dweezil) that will throw him major respect. One guy I would like to meet because I feel the same VH love. Seriously BRO! Thank you for doing this.
Of all the VH albums, I decide to comment on my least favorite. LOL
My thoughts, you guys are spot on about the lyrics, sound, etc. However on these two songs. FEEL WHAT YOU STARTED AND APOLOTICAL BLUES.
FEEL WHAT YOU STARTED-I really believe that country guitarists were getting a name again and being recognized. Lots of awesome pickers in the country world. I know from reading an interview with Danny Gatton (I know he is beyond country) that at some of his shows, Eddie would be there with LES PAUL. I really feel that Danny respected Eddie and I'm sure Eddie was in AWE with him and he was inspired. I know Danny loved LES PAUL and LES spoke highly of Danny.
The BLUES tune at the end. Same deal. The BLUES thing was really getting popular in the mid 80s to late 80s. I know the Little Feat connection and Landee stands out but I feel that this was VH, specifically EDDIE nodded at these times. Just as you cited earlier with Peter Gabriel. Just my thoughts. Hope they make sense.
Howdy y'all. In one of the pods Dweezil discusses Ed playing the minor and major thirds in one of his stretchy sequences. I nicknamed it the EVH box, and I've heard a few other players use it in full or small doses: most notably George Lynch and Nuno. I've done a video on it way back when.
Still great man! It’s an excellent breakdown that anyone can get under their fingers quickly. You are still the only guy who has gone for it and done the hours and hours and hours of work making solid lessons on the VH stuff and the other artists you’ve broken down. I’m stoked that you have been gigging with more frequency…you are a great player and one of the only people I know that is at least as much or more as crazy as I am!
I just hear another “Hot For Teacher” with that more heavy-handed detune chorus…it’s good fun though! Still great playing. This one and “Hot For Teacher” are both straight from Billy Cobham’s “Quadrant 4”.
Great episode DZ! You had a lot to say on this one, enjoyed that a lot.
Yes on Dazed and Confused reference, you nailed it, totally heard that.
Also heard EVH and Alex doing a tongue-in-cheek “Eye of the Tiger”-style song reference Tyson in with guitar/drums at one point DZ, you were saying it during episode (song four?) at one point you wondered what the guitar/drum duo part briefly evoked - maybe that?
The Montrose song Sammy Hagar said he “borrowed” the melody from, a similar tempo/feel to is “Make it Last” from first Montrose album. You really got check those first two Montrose albums. Produced by Ted Templeman (and Engineered I think by Don Landee?) the sound of those albums reportedly is once reason Van Halen wanted Templeman for their first album.
Also, you think the clean guitar on “Come on Baby Finish What You Started” is two two 1176 compressors in series with EQ? Maybe so….
Dweezil, Yes!! AFU solo sounds like the breakdown on dazed and confused at 3:25 in.... totally a match on the tempo change and feel... It's my favorite song on the record. I remeber seeing them open with that song in Philly.. Great opener.
Dweezil, thank you so much for this awesome podcast! I, like many I'm sure, am enjoying hearing all the EVH stories you and your guests have been sharing, including never-heard-in--public audio clips. Your love for Eddie is palpable and resonates with all who's lives he touched with his music and generous spirit. As you move more into the Sammy Hagar era-please remember that many of us came-of-age in the mid 80's; I heard Jump on the radio and the kid on my block played me Eruption. But it was when I heard Eddie's solo in "Why Can't This be Love that I fell in love with VH music. My first music cassette I bought was 5150 which had just come out. My first concert was F.U.C.K. tour in '91 (my parents did bring me to see Marley and the Wailers on the Kaya tour in 78, but that doesn't count 'cause I was only 5... though they didn't bring me in a paper bag like Blues!). As a Jamaican-American boy growing up in Queens, New York, I was inspired by Eddie to start playing guitar. I was a fan of Van Halen no matter the incarnation, so I bought all the music. I loved the original line up and knew even as a kid that Van Halen with Dave and Sammy were two completely different bands that I nevertheless absolutely loved. I even supported VHIII, as I appreciated that Eddie was an evolving artist who wanted to grow. I have NEVER compared them all and I am a fan across the board, having seen every incarnation of the band except the original group (with Mike). So as you cover OU812, FUCK, Balance, and VHIII, please remember to many of us, that is no less Van Halen than the first six albums. As I'm sure you will discuss, the magic chemistry between Eddie and Sammy was completely different from the chemistry of Eddie and Dave; whereas the musical and personality differences producing tension that created the magic in the latter, it was the musical soulmate connection that created the magic in the former. To me, neither is "better" or "worse." All phenomenal music. All Van Halen. Hope you feel the same.
Thanks for reaching out! Yes, I agree! Well said. I think you will find that the discussions with my guests are always centered around our love for the music - from all eras of Van Halen. I just posted the 0U812 episode a few minutes ago. Best, DZ
Sorry to be off subject…but I can’t figure out where else to post…I’m getting old …just wondering if you watched any of the us open tennis…hope you are doing well…and touring soon…going to Clapton this Friday…take care…dd
Just caught up with the 0U812 episode. Fair play to James Valentine, but I don't think he's in a position to cast stones about lyric writing, considering some of his band's songs. Also, while the episode was an enjoyable listen as always, I don't think he brought any useful insight or commentary to the table. Just my 2 cents...
Thanks for chiming in Timothy. James himself was concerned at the beginning that he might not add much to the conversation since he's not as entrenched in the inner workings of all of Van Halen's music and production details. I think there's always room for different perspectives in the ongoing conversations about Van Halen so I was happy to have the chance to chat with him and include him. The OU812 album itself can be polarizing within the fan community.
Hello everyone! I listened to the excellent '0U812' episode of 'Runnin' With The Dweezil' and I must again thank Dweezil and James Valentine for mentioning my name, albeit in a slightly modified form! :) I'm just honored that any part of my name floated through anyone's head!
As Dweezil mentioned, I do indeed have some references for '0U812' that I'm happy to share. '0U812' marks an end of an era for me and it is in my mind at least a sort of "last Van Halen album”. Most draw the line between the Roth and Hagar eras, but my personal taste includes both '5150' and '0U812' as great albums along with the classic Roth albums. It was the last album done with Donn Landee and I consider him as important as Templeman in Van Halen's best work. I liken Ted to George Martin and Donn to Geoff Emerick to reference The Beatles. Also, as Dweezil guessed, this was the last Van Halen album to feature the original "baby" Marshall and other Marshalls as the main guitar amplifier and the last to feature a "superstrat" style guitar in the tradition of his various Boogie Bodies and Kramer guitars. For me personally the signature gear and Ed's changing tastes did not fit my personal taste as much. The ‘0U812’ touring cycle ended in Honolulu, HI in February of 1989, and that is pretty much where my area of interest in Van Halen ends for the most part. But this is totally arbitrary and relevant only to me and my tastes.
I loved the '0U812' album. I was 16 years old in 1988 and I bought the "Black and Blue" 45rpm single backed with "A Apolitical Blues" on the B-side on the day it was released. This was the first thing released from the band in advance of the album. I bought the LP on the day it was released. I remember trying to figure out all the guitar parts as best as I could as fast as I could to try to beat my fellow guitar playing buddy in high school Kevin Dodds, who later went on to author the book 'Edward Van Halen: A Definitive Biography'. We're still friends to this day and have been bonded through our love and study of Edward's music for these many decades.
SO enough about me...here's some things I can share going track by track as was the case on this episode of 'Runnin' With The Dweezil':
The title ‘0U812’ was one of many in a list of names the band had. It was only the latest one that they came up with at the time the title was chosen by their manager Ed Leffler who just went with it, probably out of exasperation and being under pressure from looming deadlines. To the best of my knowledge, I believe that this was the last album to feature Marshalls as the main amp sound. The Soldanos came later…Eddie bought his first SLO-100 from Mike Soldano on February 15, 1990. Here’s the invoice from Mike dated February 15, 1990. Eddie met Mike and tried the amp on February 14, 1990…then bought it the very next day:
The first public appearance of Eddie with the SLO-100 head was at the opening of the Cabo Wabo bar in April of 1990 and of course the Soldano would set the course for Ed’s amp sounds thereafter. Of course, Clapton made some of the best music of his career with his Soldano amps around the ‘Journeyman’ album-as John Mayer will opine! It may have been coincidence, but it is an interesting little side connection between Ed and his number one inspiration on guitar.
"Mine All Mine": Eddie said of this song:
"The guitars were an afterthought on all the keyboard songs (on '0U812'). For "Mine All Mine" I wasn't thinking of doubling it with the guitar at all. Then I tried it and it sounded kind of neat. It's almost a direct kind of Strat sound. It's not real distorted. It's not my regular sound on the guitar. I had three different guitars going, '59 Strats and my main Kramer."
[I believe Eddie is referring to his 5150 Kramer when he says "main Kramer", but to my knowledge he has one vintage Strat identified as a '59. He said "Strats" plural, so I can guess he might be referring to his '64 sunburst Strat (with "5150" carved into it with a screwdriver that has also been referred to as a '58, but is confirmed to be a '64) that he used on the album version of "Finish What Ya Started" (and "Best of Both Worlds") and/or maybe his '57 sunburst Strat with a maple board Tele neck on it-Ed used this guitar to perform "Finish What Ya Started" live at the 1990 opening of the Cabo Wabo club. I think these various guitars are all zooming around during the track except I tend to believe the 5150 Kramer was used for the solo proper...it has definite Floyd Rose work on it and the tones on the solo itself seem more reminiscent to me of the 5150 Kramer.]
Eddie said of the keyboard setup on this song:
...on that I used the Roland D-50 with the Yamaha TXC-816 rack through the Roland MC-500 sequencer.
Alan DiPerna (Interviewer) So, you sequenced your keyboard parts first and then the band played along with them?
Yeah. And then Al overdubbed to that and then we overdubbed bass. Finally, I overdubbed guitar and vocals.
On the use of keyboards in general on this album, Ed said in the same interview (from the defunct 'Keyboard World' magazine in July of 1988):
Actually, Steve Porcaro helped me get a lot of this setup together. All the MIDI shit. Steve and a keyboard player named Jennifer Blakeman. She's in a band that Donn and I produced called Private Life. They help me work on the sequencers. They're both good at dealing with the owner's manual, which to me is just a big long book that I don't want to dive into. I can't relate to it.
"When It's Love":
I think “When It’s Love” was the song that gave momentum to the band during the writing and recording of the album. It’s an obvious single and the centerpiece of the album in the way that “Jump” was the centerpiece of ‘1984’. Sammy delivers one of the finest vocal performances of his career here and for my money, it is one of the best rock vocals I’ve ever heard. It’s so good that repeating it live is a suicide mission without proper vocal training. I think Sammy set the bar so high on the records (as say Robert Plant did) that singing these songs live over many shows meant almost certain long term vocal damage, in my opinion.
Eddie said, "I used a Roland D-50, Oberheim OB-8, Yamaha TX816 rack, a Yamaha DX7 and the 6 foot 1920 Steinway grand. On the basic track, I played the D-50 MIDIed to the other keyboards. Then I overdubbed the piano.
For the solo (one of my favorites in the entire catalog which I've transcribed and played a million times) Ed said that he used "a Strat" and I haven't been able to nail down which one. I believe it may have been the same rosewood board sunburst '64 Strat he used to record "Finish What Ya Started" (and "Best of Both Worlds") but I have no concrete interview reference or other evidence. It's obviously an ode to Clapton...again, as is often the case, there are direct live Cream licks all over the fast flourish at the end. The tone always reminded me more of Blackmore or Johnny Winter, but Ed has always said Clapton was the muse for this solo (and really almost all of them when you think about it).
Eddie said of the solo: When I first started soloing to it, it ended up sounding like Clapton. It was intentional. I used a Strat full blown through Marshalls.
And in another 1988 interview Ed said: Check this out, this solo is really different. Clapton, see…I still have some of that in me.
The guitar on the main guitar track (likely the Kramer 5150) is more or less standard tuning, but the Strat on the solo has a VERY unusual tuning which is as follows:
1st string: E +40.0 cents
2nd string: B +40.0 cents
3rd string: G +40.0 cents
4th string: D +40.0 cents
5th string: A +40.0 cents
6th string: E +40.0 cents
This is ABOVE standard pitch. To the best of my reckoning the "Push Comes To Shove" guitars (Mostly strats with the possible exception of the solo) are tuned very high like this, with the "Push Comes To Shove" guitars being tuned only slightly higher than the "When It's Love" solo strat.
"A.F.U. (Naturally Wired)":
Eddie said of this song: It’s actually a drum beat that I came up with years ago and Al said “Hey man, this beat would be great for this one”. I don’t know, it’s probably something Zeppelin would have done. And then I come in with the finger tappin’ stuff and you can’t figure out what’s going on until we all come in and then you say “Oh, there’s the beat!”.
Much of the instrumental parts of “A.F.U.” were present in the soundtrack to ‘The Wild Life’ movie which was released in September of 1984. Ed’s score was obviously created prior to that and some of this material, including these riffs from “A.F.U.”, might date back to the sessions for the ‘1984’ LP.
In a separate interview in a 1988 issue of ‘Guitar For The Practicing Musician’, John Stix asked Eddie: What did you do for the intro to “A.F.U. (Naturally Wired)”?
Eddie: I’m tapping an octave above every note that I’m fingering with the left hand. It’s my Kramer 5150 with no overdubs.
Again, anything is possible and no photographs or videos exist of the sessions, but it seems that the 5150 Kramer was the main guitar on this album. As Dweezil and James observed, the solo kicks off with a nod to Jimmy Page and Robert Plant’s guitar/vocal duets as heard in “Dazed and Confused, “You Shook Me”, “How Many More Times”, etc. He does play some of his Holdsworth inspired licks in this solo…in fact there’s one Holdsworthian lick that Eddie plays in “House of Pain” that is repeated here. It’s a favorite of Ed’s and it shows up in all manner of places in the catalog from 1983 onward.
“Cabo Wabo”:
According to Eddie, Sammy had written the lyrics which were obviously inspired by his last trip to Cabo San Lucas and Eddie previously came up with music “in one day”. Sammy said that the music “sounded perfect for Cabo”. They both agreed…the next day they cut the song. Which is amazing, because that is one of the most complex songs on the album in my opinion, for whatever that is worth.
Eddie used a bastardized electric twelve string guitar on the main rhythm track of “Cabo Wabo”. It had an unfinished or stripped finish Schecter Tele style body with a neck and hardware from a Fender Villager acoustic twelve string. This guitar has three single coil pickups and Schecter electronics. The guitar was purchased as-is from Dan Martin of St. Charles Music Exchange in St. Charles, Missouri as were many of Ed’s vintage instruments. Dan also introduced Ed to Steinberger guitars among others. Ed also mentioned that he used a cocked wah-wah pedal on the solo (Michael Schenker style), which might have likely been played on his Kramer 5150 guitar.
“Source of Infection”
As Dweezil and James said…this song has some gross lyrics! Here’s a segment from an interview with Bud Scoppa of Guitar World in 1988 that pretty much confirms it’s “unfortunate” lyrics as James put it!
Bud Scoppa: Is that an A.I.D.S. song?
Ed: No, no, no. I first wanted to call the album that. You know ‘Van Halen: Source of Infection’-music that’s infectious. Actually, Sammy came up with it, and I saw it that way. Al grossed out. He said “Sounds like a sore or somethin’!”. I went “Ok, screw it”.
“Source of Infection” is clearly another trademarked Van Halen boogie song continuing in the tradition of “I’m The One”, “Bottoms Up!”, “Sinner’s Swing”, “The Full Bug”, “Hot For Teacher” and “Get Up” among others. I’ll insert my opinion in here once again and say the lyrics are barely there…just some throw away stuff that sounds kind’ve cool. But they fit the song which is essentially a jam in that aforementioned boogie style. Which is still exhilarating musically to me…I think the band play their asses off and Sammy is singing some great rock vocals.
“Feels So Good”:
Eddie said this: And then there’s another song called “Feels So Good”. I just used the (Oberheim) OB-8 on that one. I got a Hammond B3 kind of sound out of it. That’s a complete keyboard song; there’s not much guitar in it at all. But anyway, I’m using the OB-8’s arpeggiator on the left hand. It’s kind of like “Why Can’t This Be Love”, but not really. I guess the left-hand arpeggiating might remind people of it, though.
On another irrelevant personal note, when I was in high school and working to figure out this album on guitar, I noticed that Ed does some of his patented strumming/pinging of the strings behind the nut…similar, of course, to when he strummed behind the bridge during “Runnin’ With The Devil” and many other places. My ear caught that the pitch of the pinging behind the nut was IDENTICAL to the pinging behind the nut that went on during the intro to the “Cathedral” segment of the ‘Live Without A Net’ guitar solo spotlight, which leads me to believe that the same Kramer 5150 guitar was used in both instances. I later transcribed the entire ‘Live Without A Net’ guitar solo segment in the summer of 1997. Anyway, many years later in 2012, I built a kind of replica of the Kramer 5150 and I used these pitches to determine placement of the string tree on my replica’s headstock. After the nut is clamped, you can fine tune these pitches to be exactly like Eddie’s and if you are really careful you can match the pitch so that no fine tuning is required. Just a little more proof of my mental illness…as if you needed any after having read thus far!
On a personal level, I really enjoy this light pop song…it’s got lovely backing vocals as always and simple lyrics which I think Sammy delivers well. It’s, surprise, a “feel good” song and I enjoy it very much! The keyboard sounds are a bit dated, but at the time it was very fresh. The video was notable because it was one of the last public appearances of the original Frankenstein guitar. That is until the Met exhibit decades later.
“Finish What Ya Started”:
According to a 1991 interview with Sammy, Eddie was at Sammy’s house and they were both tinkering with acoustic guitars. Sammy suggested they write an “acoustic tune”. They did and that was that.
Eddie claimed in 1988 that Sammy played “a Gibson acoustic” on the recording. I am fairly sure that this is Sammy’s thin bodied Gibson Chet Atkins steel string electric-acoustic guitar. I owned one and the plugged in sound seems to match what is happening on the record. It is in standard tuning, not a baritone guitar as James guessed. Sammy used this guitar to play “Eagles Fly” on later Van Halen tours and Eddie used this guitar to play “Finish What Ya Started” during a TV interview segment recorded during soundcheck at the opening date of the F.U.C.K. tour in Atlanta on August 16,1991. Eddie performed his parts in this interview segment entirely fingerstyle…not hybrid pick and fingers as he did in “Little Guitars”. I also include a picture of a stock thin bodied Gibson Chet Atkins steel string acoustic of the same vintage. Notice the scratch plate is missing on Sammy’s guitar.
Also, in 1988 Eddie said that he used his 1964 rosewood board sunburst strat (the same guitar that I believe he used for the solo to “When It’s Love”) recorded direct for his parts. It certainly sounds that way to me and Dweezil guessed that was the case. However, in a 2015 ‘Ask Eddie’ segment from the Fender/EVH website, Eddie claimed that he used “a small 1x12 Music Man 30 watt amp with a 25 watt Greenback in it”. He also claimed in this same post that he used two of these 1x12 Music Man amps with swapped 25 watt Greenback speakers to record the stereo Ripley guitar parts on “Top Jimmy”. There are studio photos of him with what might be the amp or amps he used to record “Top Jimmy”, but they look nothing like any Music Man amp that I’ve ever seen and to the best of my knowledge Music Man never made a 30 watt amp. I tend to go with his remembrances nearer to the time of the recording of ‘0U812’ and assume that he did indeed record the strat direct as he originally claimed.
In that 1988 interview, Eddie was asked by John Stix: How did you come to do “Finish What Ya Started”?
Eddie: Sammy and I consciously tried to do something different. We said, let’s get a funky sound on this one, and I fingerpicked all the way through. I didn’t use a pick at all. He played rhythm guitar on a Gibson acoustic. I used a Strat direct. I didn’t use an amp. It’s just E and A going back and forth. It’s simple, but it had a groove. The solo sounds like a little country picking.
I’m of the opinion that he might have used an “either/or pick and fingers” approach for the solo and many parts of the song in general. The footage from the April 1990 opening of Cabo Wabo shows that he palmed his pick and primarily used his Thumb and Index finger for the “chicken pickin’” parts and then he quickly got the pick from his palm and into normal picking position to play the final bluesy phrase. I think this is almost certainly how he played it on the ‘0U812’ album version. You can see this approach clearly in this footage beginning at the 11:23 mark:
“Black and Blue”: The first single from the album. The 45rpm single contained the Little Feat cover song “A Apolitical Blues” as it’s B-side (which was not on the LP release of ‘0U812’). Eddie claimed then that he wanted “Black and Blue” to be the first single (instead of “When It’s Love” which was the obvious stand-out track on the album) because he didn’t want people to say that Van Halen had gone too “soft”.
Eddie said in 1988 that he “considered it the most characteristically Van Halen song on the album”. He also said of this song “I used the Bradshaw (rack) on “Black and Blue”, I don’t know where else (on the album)”. I think the Kramer 5150 was the likely electric guitar on this recording and the Eventide Harmonizer detune is obvious. I love this track. Ridiculous lyrics, but again, they fit the music and it’s all good fun to me.
“Sucker In A Three Piece”:
Eddie said regarding this song, “Sucker In A Three Piece” is kind’ve like a “Panama” beat. This is an indication that Eddie understood he was repeating himself, at least to me. I think this is another “standard” Van Halen rock track and it was likely the 5150 Kramer once again. Great vocal from Sammy…great high-pitched screams and rock delivery in my opinion. Not the greatest album closer to me, but then neither was “Inside”! Kind’ve going out on a throw away track. Almost like the worst sketches being thrown in at the tail end of Saturday Night Live if time permits!
“A Apolitical Blues”:
Obviously Ted Templeman and Donn Landee recorded the original recording of this song by Little Feat. What a great band they were…Lowell being an ex-member of The Mothers of Invention briefly and that right there is a distinction I think many of us here appreciate!
Eddie said this of the recording of “A Apolitical Blues”: (It) is totally live except for the piano overdub that I did. It’s just a sloppy blues. I tried to play it like (Little Feat’s keyboardist) Billy Payne. I’m not really that kind of player, but it was tripped-out, man, trying to do these slippery blues licks on piano and land on your feet. We spent like a half an hour on it; Donn just hung two overhead mics and that was it. It’s so gross sounding. I played slide on that black Airline guitar (a black 1959 Airline guitar he purchased from Dan Martin) through a little Music Man amp (almost certainly the same Music Man 1x12 30w amp that he claimed to have played through on “Top Jimmy”) and got a sound that’s almost identical to the one Lowell (George) got. It’s nasty.
This is about all the relevant information I can currently find on ‘0U812’. Again, it’s a Rubicon for me. Not that Edward and the band didn’t have some great moments later, but this was an end to a certain part of the Van Halen canon that touched me. If anyone has any other info, I hope you post it here…there’s always new stuff coming to light that can increase our appreciation and understanding of Van Halen music!
Wow! Great post! Thank you Allen!
Holy shit!!! Great post. Thanks!!!!
You are very welcome! I’m glad you got some use out of my OCD!
Awesome job!
Great post, thank you!
Deep dive x2 !! Great details✌
So to me "Sucker in a Three Piece" sounds like a more modern amp with saturated preamp gain. Play the intro back to back with some of the obvious Marshall tracks, it's not the same tone at all. Sounds much more like the Soldano / 5150 sound he'd end up using on the next album. I'm not sure what it actually is, but I'd bet money it's not the classic Marshall on that track at least. I know he used a Bradshaw CAE preamp on parts of For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge in addition to the Soldano, so perhaps it's that?
Dweezil, thanks for another great episode in this awesome podcast series. I loved hearing your story about hearing Cabo Wabo super loud at 5150. Cabo Wabo is one of my top five favorite Van Halen songs. (Surpised you didn't talk about Eddie and Mikey's Beach Boys background vocals in the pre-chorus) Now, I would agree wit you that for some/many fans who came-of-age in the late 70's, OU812 is, as you stated 'a forgettable album." But please bear in mind that I and millions of fans came-of-age in the mid 80's when Sammy had already joined the band. We never had to get used to a new singer. We remember when OU812 came out! We blasted it on our boom boxes! We played the songs in our high school bands. To us, (and there are quite a lot of us, as record sales of a #1 album indicated) OU812 could never be an unforgettable album. Though some of Sammy's lyrics may be, as you stated, too " on the nose", there are plenty of examples of his beautiful and profound lyrics in songs like Dreams (one of the most inspiring songs of my life, means much more than just music for a sports montage) , Right Now, Learning to See, etc. With lyrics like "She looked so fucking good, so sexy and so fresh" and "I can almost taste it, it burns" (from Sinner's Swing" the same critique could be leveled at Dave. To me and all the Van Halen fans who loved all incarnations of the band, no Van Halen album was forgettable. Not even VHIII, as there are some beautiful things Eddie and Gary created that are still worth listening to (you'll do that one too, right?). Keep up the great work with the series, looking forward to the next. But just remember, the VH family is HUGE and under that family tent, we got a lot of different age groups, perspectives, backgrounds that influence our preferences. Still, for some, it's all Van Halen and it's all GOOD. Rock on, my brother!
I continue to love these episodes. OU812 is my least favorite of the Hagar era. The vibe of the episode seems you feel the same. Is that how you feel? Still some great songs, but when the bar is that high, it’s easy to stumble. Very excited for the next episode…For Unlawful is my favorite Of the Hagar era.
Thanks again for doing these. Almost a year since EVH passed and these are great grief therapy.
Would I be correct in saying that Apolitical Blues the first time on a VH record that we hear piano?
Enjoyed this episode. I like the OU812 record but the lyrics are some of the worst. cringeworthy.
Hi Stephen,
I do believe you are correct about the acoustic piano. Until OU812 we have only heard electric piano and synthesizers.
Glad you're enjoying the podcast.
You are both technically correct that "A Apolitical Blues" is ONE of the first appearances of an entirely acoustic piano track on a Van Halen album. But it is a fact that "Dreams" and "Love Walks In" on '5150' both feature one of Eddie's two Steinway grand pianos (he vacillated between using a 6 foot 1920 Steinway or a 7 foot 1912 Steinway B grand...one was for the house and one for the studio-he switched them out occasionally) as the "master keyboard" to trigger an Oberheim OB-8 via MIDI...so you hear a combination of both. The acoustic piano sound is more upfront on "Dreams" and more of a "mix' of the two so to speak on "Love Walks In". "When It's Love" also had a separate track of the 6 foot 1920 Steinway grand added AFTER (not triggering a synth as before) the basic keyboard track was done. That basic track was a Roland D-50 used to trigger the OB-8, a Yamaha TX816 and a Yamaha DX7. So really that song also had straight acoustic piano on one separate track...it's perhaps much easier to hear the acoustic piano on "A Apolitical Blues" because it was cut live with a couple of overhead microphones with Eddie overdubbing the piano later.
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Another great episode! OU812 has always been one of my favorite VH records, maybe my favorite with Sammy! It's definitely got that 80s action movie vibe in some parts, I just love it! Dweezil, check these out if you haven't already. There are some instrumental versions of the Sammy era stuff floating around, on some of these the quality is not great, but it's so cool to be able to hear these without vocals!
Mine All Mine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZUzT7IdV9w
Cabo Wabo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xiz3Hvau-Y
A.F.U. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zobc8KXB3ko
Black and Blue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9s9sl-DHKo
Might have to add a Source Of Infection > Why Does It Hurt When I Pee? jam to my dream Dweezil Zappa setlist.. This was another great episode. Thank you James! Thank you Dweezil!
Getting caught back up on some episodes. The "5150" episode is excellent. I love the Hagar era and this album is still holds up for me. I love the diversity with the songwriting and Ed's instrumentation. And his guitar tone is huge sounding. Really enjoyed the song and tone dissections, per always. I enjoyed Mark's commentary as well. Question: do you know what rig he was playing through? Probably his new PRS -- but amp and effects wise? I thought he had a pretty solid tone.
"Mine All Mine" has been a favorite of mine since I first heard it on cassette tape back in 1988. This is my favorite keyboard composition from Eddie. Such a cool way to start an album. Such a unique rockin' tune... dominated by the keyboard and not the guitar. Eddie is such an underrated composer. I also really dig Sammy's lyrics on this one. I've always loved the last verse... "They'll find a cure for anything
Just kill the pain or numb my brain
We see a man speakin' the word of God
Provin' to be a fraud, his own church applauds
Stop lookin' out, start lookin' in
Be your own best friend
Stand up and say "Hey! This is mine!"...
These lyrics have been inspiring me all these years. I listen to Mine All Mine all the time to get psyched and get in a good mood.
So......I'm sitting on my 3 dollar lawn chair here in my shithole apartment....and I'm listening to the OU812 episode with my decent headphones via my decent android.... And then, regarding these lyrics...I hear James Valentine say the 'mine all mine' message here is "So 80's. So Boomer" ....and Dweezil chimes in with the words... "Yuppie Crisis".
I laughed and said to myself... "Hmm..Ok. Alright guys. Let's just move on to the next one."
Hi Marcus,
Thanks for chiming in. It's funny how people can experience music in their own way and that the music can be different things to different people. I can totally see your point of view with the way that you describe the song. It was the first Van Halen song that appeared to be making a comment on society in a semi-political philosophical way. For me, it didn't connect out of the gate but years later and particularly after "Right Now," "Mine All Mine" fits into that small collection of Van Halen songs with a direct message. There are a handful of other tunes that fit that category as well. Which ones do you think belong in there?
Anyway, I'm glad you are part of the community and have been going along for the RWTD journey. DZ
Thanks so much for putting your time into this, Dweezil. I've really enjoyed every episode and I'm looking forward to the upcoming episodes with Satch & Andy Wood. Regarding Sammy's Lyrics and the handful of VH tunes that have more of a direct message... of course there's "Right Now" as you mentioned. I also really dig the lyrics to "The Dream Is Over" and "In & Out" from Carnal Knowledge. And I really dig the lyrics to "Seventh Seal" and "Feelin'" from Balance. But that's me. I totally understand it's all subjective and believe me when I tell you, I really really laughed out loud - (regarding your comments to "Mine All Mine") - because I'll never meet a VH fan who likes that song nearly as much as I do. A good friend of mine suggested that Track 1 on OU812 shoulda been "A.F.U." and I honestly think he may have a point. Thank You Again, Dweezil! Cheers! Marcus
0U812 comment...
First off Dweezil thank you so much for doing this. I have said for years, if something every happens to EDDIE, this is one guy(Dweezil) that will throw him major respect. One guy I would like to meet because I feel the same VH love. Seriously BRO! Thank you for doing this.
Of all the VH albums, I decide to comment on my least favorite. LOL
My thoughts, you guys are spot on about the lyrics, sound, etc. However on these two songs. FEEL WHAT YOU STARTED AND APOLOTICAL BLUES.
FEEL WHAT YOU STARTED-I really believe that country guitarists were getting a name again and being recognized. Lots of awesome pickers in the country world. I know from reading an interview with Danny Gatton (I know he is beyond country) that at some of his shows, Eddie would be there with LES PAUL. I really feel that Danny respected Eddie and I'm sure Eddie was in AWE with him and he was inspired. I know Danny loved LES PAUL and LES spoke highly of Danny.
The BLUES tune at the end. Same deal. The BLUES thing was really getting popular in the mid 80s to late 80s. I know the Little Feat connection and Landee stands out but I feel that this was VH, specifically EDDIE nodded at these times. Just as you cited earlier with Peter Gabriel. Just my thoughts. Hope they make sense.
Regards,
Jimmy
Howdy y'all. In one of the pods Dweezil discusses Ed playing the minor and major thirds in one of his stretchy sequences. I nicknamed it the EVH box, and I've heard a few other players use it in full or small doses: most notably George Lynch and Nuno. I've done a video on it way back when.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwZOwrZ4KmY
Still great man! It’s an excellent breakdown that anyone can get under their fingers quickly. You are still the only guy who has gone for it and done the hours and hours and hours of work making solid lessons on the VH stuff and the other artists you’ve broken down. I’m stoked that you have been gigging with more frequency…you are a great player and one of the only people I know that is at least as much or more as crazy as I am!
Source of infection. Title by Alex. He wanted to name the album this title also. George.
Reminds me of I'm the One with mass chorus.
I just hear another “Hot For Teacher” with that more heavy-handed detune chorus…it’s good fun though! Still great playing. This one and “Hot For Teacher” are both straight from Billy Cobham’s “Quadrant 4”.
Great episode DZ! You had a lot to say on this one, enjoyed that a lot.
Yes on Dazed and Confused reference, you nailed it, totally heard that.
Also heard EVH and Alex doing a tongue-in-cheek “Eye of the Tiger”-style song reference Tyson in with guitar/drums at one point DZ, you were saying it during episode (song four?) at one point you wondered what the guitar/drum duo part briefly evoked - maybe that?
The Montrose song Sammy Hagar said he “borrowed” the melody from, a similar tempo/feel to is “Make it Last” from first Montrose album. You really got check those first two Montrose albums. Produced by Ted Templeman (and Engineered I think by Don Landee?) the sound of those albums reportedly is once reason Van Halen wanted Templeman for their first album.
Also, you think the clean guitar on “Come on Baby Finish What You Started” is two two 1176 compressors in series with EQ? Maybe so….
Keep them coming, great work, great episode!
Dweezil, Yes!! AFU solo sounds like the breakdown on dazed and confused at 3:25 in.... totally a match on the tempo change and feel... It's my favorite song on the record. I remeber seeing them open with that song in Philly.. Great opener.
Dweezil, thank you so much for this awesome podcast! I, like many I'm sure, am enjoying hearing all the EVH stories you and your guests have been sharing, including never-heard-in--public audio clips. Your love for Eddie is palpable and resonates with all who's lives he touched with his music and generous spirit. As you move more into the Sammy Hagar era-please remember that many of us came-of-age in the mid 80's; I heard Jump on the radio and the kid on my block played me Eruption. But it was when I heard Eddie's solo in "Why Can't This be Love that I fell in love with VH music. My first music cassette I bought was 5150 which had just come out. My first concert was F.U.C.K. tour in '91 (my parents did bring me to see Marley and the Wailers on the Kaya tour in 78, but that doesn't count 'cause I was only 5... though they didn't bring me in a paper bag like Blues!). As a Jamaican-American boy growing up in Queens, New York, I was inspired by Eddie to start playing guitar. I was a fan of Van Halen no matter the incarnation, so I bought all the music. I loved the original line up and knew even as a kid that Van Halen with Dave and Sammy were two completely different bands that I nevertheless absolutely loved. I even supported VHIII, as I appreciated that Eddie was an evolving artist who wanted to grow. I have NEVER compared them all and I am a fan across the board, having seen every incarnation of the band except the original group (with Mike). So as you cover OU812, FUCK, Balance, and VHIII, please remember to many of us, that is no less Van Halen than the first six albums. As I'm sure you will discuss, the magic chemistry between Eddie and Sammy was completely different from the chemistry of Eddie and Dave; whereas the musical and personality differences producing tension that created the magic in the latter, it was the musical soulmate connection that created the magic in the former. To me, neither is "better" or "worse." All phenomenal music. All Van Halen. Hope you feel the same.
Hi Donn,
Thanks for reaching out! Yes, I agree! Well said. I think you will find that the discussions with my guests are always centered around our love for the music - from all eras of Van Halen. I just posted the 0U812 episode a few minutes ago. Best, DZ
Phil X? anyone? anyone? Bueller?
Hey Dweezil. Phil said in a live chat that he's sorry for never getting back to you on your axe-fx patch :)